Minkis

this party will be minkis-less

unfortunately i will NOT be able to make it to hulla
basically, you can blame the stupid idiot that got caught drinking and driving last weekend, now THIS weekend, we will have to come in for like, an hour during the weekend to check in...

so now, i cant be further than an hour away from base...


im so pissed, i was looking SO forward to this! bring back memories, meet all you awesome people!


sorry people...

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basic

Isn't there a way to get an exemption?

Weaver

awwwwwww Minkis noooooo!!!

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Kandifox

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Minnnkiissss!!!!!!
Rawr I really wanted to meet youuuuuhhh........
My zombie......*sniffle*

DJ Tranzit

so wait...
someone you were in the car with was drinking and driving, or were you drinking and driving?

what happened?

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Minkis

someone in my company was drinking and driving, and it happens like, every other weekend, the commander is gettin pissed

next week is the busiest training week of like, the year, so i couldnt get that off, even tho i told them months ago


GAH
i know, i wanted to meet you too...

Weaver

Well Minkis, I can at least respect that you're putting responsibility first.

DJ Tranzit

wait a second
because someone you SAW was drinking and driving, now you're not allowed to leave the country? That's rediculous.

If you were drinking and driving, or got in the car with someone drinking and driving, then you are a dumb ass for doing so.. that's just flat out stupid...

but, if it's just someone you saw... what effin' gives?

ctraverboy

From what I gathered, he is in the military, a unit member got caught drinking and driving one too many times and now his commanding officer has placed some extra restrictions on time off. Rewarded as a unit, punished as a unit.

Robin Frolic

It's group psychology; if the entire group gets punished, then the group will place pressure on the offending members not to do that again. It's far more effective than just punishing the offender.

ctraverboy

When the group starts bonding and acting as one, you should see the effects of requiring the offender do what they were doing that got them in trouble...

While you punish everyone else.

SkItLeS

Minkis pm me your addy i'll mail you the hulla cuff i promised to make you.

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DJ Tranzit

im sure this results in a lot of group beatings.

DJ Tranzit

and, secondly.. if someone is caught drinking and driving, they should be discharged from the army.

that's ridiculous!

Robin Frolic

Yeah, there's nothing quite like adding a healthy dose of resentment.

ctraverboy

Discharge is on the table when you drink and drive, but they look at your entire service record before deciding to take that step. They also consider whether you accept responsibility and show the willingness to do what you have to to avoid it.

Assuming an otherwise good record, acceptance of responsibility and show of remores... demotion(or denial of promotion to E2, which is automatic if you dont' commit a serious offense), restriction to barracks with extra duty, forfeiture of 2/3rds pay for 3 months, and going to alcohol education courses are what someone could expect for drunk driving in the military, at least with a good commander(mine never gave less for anything alcohol related). Another likely option is 30 days in correctional custody, which is a blend of a minimum security brig with boot camp and hard labor, but I've seen that used more for long, consistent patterns of minor offenses than one big one.

You do not get a break from any civilian consequences either, at least in the US- military law and civilian law are considered entirely seperate things when it comes to double jeapordy. Whether or not civilian consequences are modified in other countries for US personnel depends on the Status of Forces Agreement signed with that other country, but it generally depends on whether it occured off base or on base, and provided the member is available to defend himself(ie, not still in civilian jail/prison), the military always gets to impose punishment.

DJ Tranzit

plain and simple, the military is supposed to set an example for the rest of the citizens of the country. they are supposed to be upstanding citizens. no exceptions.

if you're in the military, and you screw up, are you really a model citizen for fellow americans? no.

Although, I do agree that they should be punished double. One in civilian law, and one in military law. However, why you should have to suffer because of this is bullshit as far as i'm concerned. That's nuts.

I hope this guy gets knocked out by his fellow military colleauges. He deserves it. (and i dont say that seriously very often).

basic

Man, I wouldn't last a day in the Army.

Minkis

youve pretty much got it right.. hes gonna lose rank down to E-nothing(E1), extra duty, prolly a loss of pay, lose his license, shit like that

and if he did do this off post, he would have to deal with civilian AND military law... there is no double jeopardy when it comes to that, it is two completely separate courts... now since he got caught on post, its only military
the thing that makes this guy even more of an idiot, he was out drinking, a sober guy drove him back to his room, then he decided "oh, i ran out of cigarettes, im gonna drive to the store (which is a 5 minute walk) and buy some"....got caught on the way to the store
*smack*

Minkis

and im not sure if its possible, but since i was a +1, can one of my friends go in my spot? i doubt it, and i dont really care one way or another
my friend just wanted me to ask

Minkis

didnt think so...lol