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Old June 18th, 2004, 04:41 PM   #1
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Vote NDP for Olivia Chow woo CNE and idance

Hi, everyone!

I'd like to turn back the clock to the summer of 2000. Raves were actually banned in Toronto! Jack Layton, the current leader of the NDP, and his wife, Olivia Chow, were Toronto city councillors at that time. They helped to organize iDance, an amazing daytime rave at City Hall (I'm on the front page in the Globe & Mail!), and they succeeded in getting raves unbannned. They actually attended a couple of raves too!

But there are a lot more serious reasons to vote for the NDP. We live in a make-or-break generation. If the Liberals or the Conservatives win the election, Canada will become USA's partner in crime. I can go on and on why I am disgusted with the US government, but no one would probably read this post. Check out www.guerrillanews.com or www.whatreallyhappened.com if you're interested.

Voting for the NDP is a vote for Canada's role as a peacemaker and not a warmongerer. Students who don't want to be burdened by enormous debts, people who want the government to keep the corporations in check instead of the other way around, and people who want a true change should vote NDP.


Peace,

ya i didn't write this i stole it from icantstopraving but i volunteer for the NDP and so should u!
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Old June 18th, 2004, 05:30 PM   #2
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errr, the liberal's have been in power for 11 years and have hardly made Canada "the U.S's partner in crime". Making statements like that take away from your message, imo.
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Old June 22nd, 2004, 09:45 PM   #3
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Hey, Saber -

I posted the article in the featured polls section here too. Keep spreading the word tho!

Are you in ONDY? I've been volunteering when I can and going to protests and stuff in the US. Maybe we've crossed paths somewhere.


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Old June 22nd, 2004, 10:08 PM   #4
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errr, the liberal's have been in power for 11 years and have hardly made Canada "the U.S's partner in crime". Making statements like that take away from your message, imo.

Trade agreements like the FTAA and NAFTA allow Canadian corporations along with US corporations to exploit developing nations. Worker's rights, real democracy in other countries, and the environment are trampled in the quest for profits and happy shareholders. It is also arguable that without the anti-war movement, Chretien would have sent troops explicitly to Iraq, rather than sending them to Afghanistan to free up American forces. With Martin or Harper in power, things are just going to get worse.
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Old June 23rd, 2004, 10:11 AM   #5
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With Martin or Harper in power, things are just going to get worse.

I'd prefer to take my chances with Martin over Harper. At least I know I wont be shipped off to war.

Unfortunately the NDP will not get my vote this time because I am not too confident with the slight liberal lead in the polls. if they were 10% ahead i'd be ticking the box beside Norman Tobias's name.
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Old June 23rd, 2004, 03:11 PM   #6
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I'd prefer to take my chances with Martin over Harper. At least I know I wont be shipped off to war.

Unfortunately the NDP will not get my vote this time because I am not too confident with the slight liberal lead in the polls. if they were 10% ahead i'd be ticking the box beside Norman Tobias's name.


Strategic voting is bad for democracy. If all Martin can say to get people to vote for him is that Harper is worse, then I'd say he isn't worth voting for either, imo. I'd rather see Harper in office than vote for Martin - ppl should just vote for the party that fits with their ideals for democracy to work.
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Old June 23rd, 2004, 03:29 PM   #7
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Strategic voting is bad for democracy. If all Martin can say to get people to vote for him is that Harper is worse, then I'd say he isn't worth voting for either, imo. I'd rather see Harper in office than vote for Martin - ppl should just vote for the party that fits with their ideals for democracy to work.

You know I would agree with you if I didnt think that strategic voting is smart.

Look at what happened in the last US Presidential election. Ralph Nader took votes from the Democrats and boom Bomb happy Bush is in power.

Harper is putting the Military before healthcare. If there are health care cuts because the conservatives win my job may be in jeopardy... also I dont want to be shipped off to war, I think gay marriage is fine, I dont really want the death penalty to be reinstated, and I dont think abortion should be illigal.
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Old June 23rd, 2004, 03:42 PM   #8
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You know I would agree with you if I didnt think that strategic voting is smart.

Look at what happened in the last US Presidential election. Ralph Nader took votes from the Democrats and boom Bomb happy Bush is in power.

Harper is putting the Military before healthcare. If there are health care cuts because the conservatives win my job may be in jeopardy... also I dont want to be shipped off to war, I think gay marriage is fine, I dont really want the death penalty to be reinstated, and I dont think abortion should be illigal.


We wouldn't need to have this discussion if proportional representation was introduced --- but that's another topic.

If more ppl in the States voted for Nader last election, ppl would have taken him more seriously this time around. Now in the US, you have no real choice to make - both parties are for war and more US imperialism.

Also, Martin is for joining up with the US for the billion dollar missile defence plan (which prolly won't even work - check out the US patriot missile). This is billions of dollars which could be put into education, health care, social programs, etc... so Martin will militarize Canada just like Harper. Martin's health care platform is real sketchy too with the privatization and all.
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Old June 23rd, 2004, 05:38 PM   #9
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i haven't met you cheatachu72 but I agree with your message

if you've been following the debates on television on rogers cable 10 up north and cable 63 elsewhere in Canada Ontario, you would know that the liberals have done nothing for Canada in the past 11 years aside from reduce the debt which we can also thank the economy for.
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Old June 24th, 2004, 01:21 AM   #10
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the liberals have done nothing for Canada in the past 11 years aside from reduce the debt which we can also thank the economy for.

Don't you think the way a government runs a country has alot to do with the economy of that country? Just a thought.
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Old June 29th, 2004, 08:55 PM   #11
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I voted NDP, but tis hard. there are 2 generations above the new voters (Generation X and the baby boomers) who still have a HUGE casting voice. Hence, liberals and conservatists are always on top. Those are mainly the only 2 parties they grew up with, however, it seems the younger generation is more apt to voted NDP or green. Too bad they had such a crummy turnout
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Old June 30th, 2004, 12:05 AM   #12
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ndp represent at 9% , woo, that's how much our country cares about helping those less fortunate then themselves
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Old June 30th, 2004, 01:24 AM   #13
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ndp represent at 9% , woo, that's how much our country cares about helping those less fortunate then themselves

What on earth are you on about? Do you have any idea how much the NDP can screw up our economy? Do you want to start this debate? Coz I am ready with my fact sheet and logic.
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Old July 1st, 2004, 12:04 PM   #14
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aight, let's look at facts:

liberals won but without majority to pass votes so they would want to join forces with someone.

They're not going to go with Conservative nor are they going to ask the Bloc Quebecois so naturally if they decide to pass a vote and need majority votes, tehy're looking towards the NDP

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On a related note, you asked how Harper could make Canada "the U.S's partner in crime". Well I would like to point your attention towards the Toronto Star June 27th, Sunday section F

opening lines from Haroon Siddiqui

"what connects tomorrow's election to Geroge W. Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq? Steven Harper. Harper stated 'Outside of Quebec, I believe very strongly the silent majority of Canadians is strongly supportive'"

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What am I on about? My simple question : Would you sell your house because the mortgage payments are too high and you can't pay the interest?

For me, some things are essential and can't be cut back to reduce debt
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