Phlux

Looks like another venue has bitten the dust...

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What happened at the Docks hearing is this:

Instead of going through the long hearing (which was scheduled to last a
couple of weeks), the Liquor Board (actually it's now called the Alcohol and
Gaming Commission) made a deal with the Docks. The Docks admitted to some (though not all) of various infractions of the liquor act (to do with things like having fights on their property, I think) and received the following penalties:

-- they will lose their liquor licence for all of next May
-- they aren't allowed to have raves (and I don't know how raves are
defined)
-- the number of people they can have outside is to be reduced. I forget the exact numbers, but it was over a thousand to start with. I don't know the reason for this or how it will affect anyone but the Docks.

Because of this deal, there was no opportunity for anyone to testify. A
number of Islanders were there, as were quite a few policemen from 51
Division (who would have given evidence if there had been a full hearing).

However, there's nothing to prevent the liquor board from having the Docks on the carpet again if they seem to be breaking the rules again. From the noise point of view, it would be helpful if anyone with a noise complaint sent it to the liquor board (as well as to the City).

anabolic frolic

Docks was a world-class venue to hold a party in, and we'll never see anything that nice again.

I'm sure we'll see the typical "Thank God. I hated that place" posts, but I'd like to ask those people, are we better off or worse off having lost another venue, the last one that could hold a multi-thousand person event?

Busta

That's really unfortunate. That was an awsome place for Hulla.

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DJ SMILZPERHOUR

The Docks was the ultimate venue in TO and the surrounding area even into NY state. It's sad to see them go.

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shuko_x

looks like its just wemf to really look foward to in terms of multi venue....*DOH*

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shuko_x

i think all the promoters in the GTA should all get together and pool all their resources and build one big ass super venue (ala gatecrasher etc..). Rather then wrestle with police and lawyers and gettin venues etc... Just build one

Busta

Sure, the cops would be on that place like flies on fly paper. You forget, raves are _evil_ in this half of the world.

Phlux

I wonder sometimes if the municipal government and the Toronto Police have some secret agenda for Toronto's rave scene and have had one for a while now. Seems they've managed to sweep the entire scene under the carpet by putting through measures that have severly restricted rave promoters from putting on large scale events.

While we thought the first I-Dance was a major victory for the Rave Scene. I really think it accomplished nothing. While they lifted the ban on the Rave scene, they made it impossible for anybody who doesn't have $100,000 to lose to throw an event on city owned property because of the stringent PDO requirements placed on event organizers.

Now they've done away with The Docks. And from what I heard, the reason for the hearing had to do with fights that broke out over the summer on The Docks property. If this is true, what does it have to do with the Rave Scene? The docks doesn't rent out their venue during the summer... It seems to me the government just used it as an excuse to eliminate another large Toronto venue.

Yet the government stands by and does nothing when clubs like the Guvernment break I don't know how many fire codes during a recent event. Maybe it has something to do with the large amounts of liquor sold over the course of the night, where muxh of the profits will end up in the governments coffiers.

A Rave has never fit into the traditional business model, much of the profit is cash and therefore isn't claimed and therefore, the government has reaped very little from the scene and now feels the need to dispose of it. I duunno, maybe I'm seeing conspiracy theories where they aren't.. who knows..

HEATER

too too bad
I personally loved the Docks as a venue



another one bits the dust

Stoopid

anyone who says the docks sucks, is just being spoiled

the docks was an excellent venue for any company that could fill it.

plus they had that huge freakin' laser.

Brad.

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§tarlite

well said, gatecrasher is a dream venue!!!
*droolz*

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Surreal

Would a Gatecrasher type venue work???.....you have to remember the whole midset of the Europeans vs that of the N. Americans towards "underground dance music" venues, it's very different.....If it happens I'm all for it....and I would love to help out any way that I can......anybody have any ideas?

Steve

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MrGuv (Mathiau)

I think a place like the Guvernment tends to project a better image as a club then a "rave" @ the docks- as it has a:


Dress code
19 and over

These 2 items alone likely appeal more to the Government then an all ages party with more chance of their being an uncontrolled substance around, not that the Guvernment does not have it, but the Guv. is also likely more controlled by security - not to mention the money they do pump into the city on land taxes /rent / and liqour sales.


That is why many night clubs don't get hassled by the cops / Government - night clubs are more controlled ("usually") and tend to hold a more "mature" crowd ("usually") as many are 19 and over.

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xRaVeRx

^^^thas a wicked idea!! They should realli think of that

NiGHtMarE, HullA, Desiny, GoodFellaz Crew, etc..

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shuko_x

Either way it doesn't really matter cuz even if a superclub would be built it would be corrupted buy the fn "club" culture anyways cuz basically if u think about it....the guvernment is kind of a superclub but they'll never play hhc thats why....the hard underground stuff will never really sell big cuz its a different mentallity down here in N.A. So the plan is to find a job in the UK and live there

shuko_x

so just be happy with what we got i guess...it could be worse though......

*cough*** USA **cough***

frankeetailz

the docks was a great place to hold parties, abd it's too bad that fucked up shit had to go down.

RoB-B

you could call the venue

ravers paradise

or

Canadas Ecstasy Land, you could have rides, pac man, a jumping zone

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Phlux

It would never fly.. Just buying the venue alone, assuming it's in Toronto, would cost close to a million dollars. And I don't think you'd find too many banks willing to give a out a mortgage to a group of Rave Promoters.

anabolic frolic

When you think about it, if someone had the millions it would take to invest in a new club, it would be foolish to go after anything other than the high spending drinking crowd.