dagapman

Read this article and tell me what you think... i think this guy is a SICK sick person who knows nothing ABOUT techno....


Go TO: http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Mus...inem/index.html

Please bitch at him there too!!!

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Is Eminem right about techno-pop music?
He's dissed Moby and the entire genre, but he's not alone

David Browne

(Entertainment Weekly) -- You remember electronica, or techno, or whatever term you used to describe it over the last decade?

I do, and those memories are pretty sweet: Watching the Chemical Brothers engage in knob-twirling and fist-pumping -- a PC-era Wayne and Garth -- at a packed show. Instantly feeling elated by the mix of beats and hooks on any number of great singles -- Moby's "Go," Utah Saints' "Something Good," Underworld's "Born Slippy." The sound of John Digweed's "Heaven Scent" at the climax of the indie rave film "Groove." Paul Oakenfold's "Tranceport" album. And on and on.

The key phrase in the paragraph above is "the last decade," because at this point, the sad fact is that this once-vibrant genre has, like my computer on a bad day, frozen up. Not commercially, in an ironic turn of events: This summer, we've witnessed two singles, Dirty Vegas' "Days Go By" and now Daniel Bedingfield's "Gotta Get Thru This," blend pop and techno into a pleasant, if inconsequential, middle ground between the two styles. But as nice as it was to hear those bleeps and bloops in "Days Go By" on a top 40 station, there's no denying that most of the thrill is gone.

Staying the course
The unfortunate reality is that a music steeped in constant change and reinvention has settled into some of its own ruts and routines. Staying the course, rather than innovating, is the current rule of thumb. After a five-year break, the Prodigy returned this summer with a new single, "Baby's Got a Temper." I've played it several times, and damn if I can remember much about it -- which sure wasn't the case with "Firestarter," and I don't just mean Keith Flint's reverse mohawk in the video.

There's still just enough to please the ear. Bent's "Programmed to Love" and Rinocerose's "Music Kills Me" albums were two highlights of the past year. Moby's underrated "Play" has many magical moments. And Layo and Bushwacka!'s new "Night Works" has its moments. But they're exceptions. Most of the rest, particularly the flood of DJ mix albums, feels stuck in time.

Anyone should have seen it coming, since pop genres tend to have roughly five-year lifespans. It's revealing that electronica and teen pop, both born of the clubhopping and affluent youth culture of the '90s, are running dry. With any luck, the music, like the economy it once mirrored, is simply going through a slump. "Rave Till Dawn," goes the title of an anthology in my CD collection. Maybe we're all realizing exactly how TIRED one gets by that time of day.

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THis guy's a dick!!!


lotssa Lovin.

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limey

It'd help if he knew what techno was

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pointy_sticks

He's not a dick at all. He was expressing a legitimate observation about the decline in the quality of techno-pop, which is different from techno and from electronic music as a whole. He did not even bash the genre, on the contrary he said that he hopes it is merely in a slump...indicating that he is just another fan hoping that the current stagnation in the genre is only temporary.

Next time, don't get so up in arms that you miss the point entirely.

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Technology

my life has been wasted!

(as one of the board's technosnobs, I suggest people go look in the Marco Carola thread for October 13th)

Everybodies_Daddy

How can Prodigy produce new choons without the Ruff man?

It's a sin I tell you.

MCED

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DanielJ

Why do people have to make comments about techno when they dont even know what real techno is. Firstly the prodigy is definately not techno, not even the old stuff, and im fed up of people referring to happy hardcore and trance as techno music when its not. Techno is the original detroit stuff (jeff mills etc), gabba, speedcore, hardcore techno etc and whatever else.

tekcajder

yep

and look at the news source! CNN?!?!
(ever notice how all of their articles are
noting something negative? not positive?)

but anyhow, i was listening to a pascal feos
set the other day and one of the disc's he
mixed had a sample of eminem saying "nobody
listens to techno so lets go" (i'm sure a few
of you have heard it) ... if anything, its one
of the best samples i've heard in a while
[edit2- btw if anyone knows the name of
that track i'd really appreciate it]

-james.

edit: for the record tho ... i'd just like to say, just because it isn't mainstream doesn't mean there arent innovative producers. anyone partaking in the ravescene for even just a few months realizes how much of the music has no representation in the mainstream public (aside from a nasty image that has a negative effect) ... i don't agree with him, but even so, he has a valid point (even if its sort of narrow minded and unresearched)

he notes "firestarter" being this great prodigy song, well, ok, it was a pretty good song, but what about the 2 albums prior? most acts that push in to mainstream either flurish for a while, or crash and burn, and unfortunatly ... prodigy had its time in the public eye ... and i'm sure its hurt their record sales. success on that broad a scale isn't really a great thing ... especially when you have people who "kinda" get it ... and those who hate it.

what was the saying from back in the day?

"ACDC's rock and roll, disco sucks and so does soul."

its a shame that people get so territorial w/ music ... but whatever ... to me, electronic music is alive and well, and if its dead to that guy, i honestly feel bad for him.

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GummiBear

Mainstreem doesnt really mean good. Isnt there another forum about fads in here? Well how many people do u think dress/act/ and listen to music they dont really care to much for? just to be cool...yeah, pretty sad. Since "techno" as they call it, is so bashed on...only the people who truly like it tend to fall into that catagory. That makes it stronger, and ive noticed there are lots of very deep thinkers who listen to hardcore. And there is a reason for that, i just dont feel like typing anymore ^_^

and whats with people not only getting terratorial about their music, but revolving their life around it? I see rappers and they act just like whatever they listen to. Dress with their fat albert shirts and all that, and are disrespectful to women, and so closed minded to listen to ANYTHING but Rap....*sigh*
Punk rockers have the ratty cloths, anyway i think ive said this before in another forum....moving on ^_^

JonHennessy

Techno has since died into a relm of the past. There are a few "dinosours" who still enjoy true "techno" at an event around here, mostly the talent we are booking is more dnb, hardcore genre's to please the kids. I personaly like techno, i think it transends everything we know of today as a "rave". Just people aren't into it like they used to be, doesn't get em' dancing anymore...

brooklynhype

prodigy kicks ass. I don't think theyre techno though.. Personally I don't listen to techno. Why do you care if its dead? You can still listen to it, it just means that some people dont like it anymore. I'm not trying to be mean if you think that.. I hate rude people.

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astralkid

I grew up, and realized how shitty it was... , u know whats keeping it alive... movie soundtracks

Nubbie

I disagree with that.
There are a great deal of techno names being thrown around still... and a great deal of techno parties. They're not nearly as prevelant in the clubs and parties around, but they are there.

Fukhouse or wabi for example, they throw down monthly gigs and those rake in the crowds. Blue still books some of the better known names for international techno right at system soundbar.

I doubt we'll see some of the bigger techno events anymore, but the smaller more specific sounds still draw the crowds. There was a techno night at a small club here in waterloo and it was packed to the teeth, even with a 10 dollar cover and expensive drinks (Mike Shannon, Adam Marshall, Chad Breen, Jay Hunsburger all threw down... amazing night). I think the reason for that is that hardcore and jungle are a little easier to differentiate from house that is common to the club crowd. People identify more with it because 'thats what they know' and stick to their roots.

Its still out there... you just have to know where to look for it

xdigitalxdreamx

he said prodigy was techno
*dies*

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siouxsie
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Nubbie

you're fired.

astralkid

no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!! no body listens to techno!!!

RIP, next trance

DirectDrive

DSP's march 2004 set is awesome.

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Berlin Looks Set to Pull Plug on Techno Love Parade
Wed Apr 14, 2:51 PM ET

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By David Crossland

BERLIN (Reuters) - Berlin looks set to pull the plug on the Love Parade after organizers said on Wednesday they had failed to secure funding for the summer festival that used to attract over a million gyrating techno fans.


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The Parade, which became a symbol for Berlin's hipness during the 1990s, has waned in recent years, narrowly avoiding financial collapse and drawing smaller crowds as techno music has lost its trendsetting appeal and entered mainstream culture.

Its decline has coincided with a steady gentrification of the city. Gleaming modern buildings have been completed in its center and many of the eastern districts once fashionable for their dilapidation have been refurbished for yuppie families.

"It is with great regret that we have to announce there definitely won't be a Love Parade in Berlin this year," organizer Loveparade Berlin GmbH said in a statement.

Many of its usual sponsors had been hit by the economic downturn in recent years, and talks with the cash-strapped city had not produced a financing deal, with just three months to go before the festival was due to take place, it said.

Berlin's city-owned trade fair company backed the Love Parade in 2003 and made a loss of $615,900 as a result.

Some 750,000 ravers came to the Love Parade last July, half the 1.5 million the festival attracted at the height of its popularity in the late 1990s.

The Love Parade started making losses after it lost its status as a demonstration in 2001, which forced it to pay for a host of services which the city had provided free of charge before, such as blocking off roads and relocating bus stops.

A Berlin city spokesman held out hope of a reprieve, saying more talks were scheduled between the city's economy department and the organizers.

The Parade first took place in 1989, four months before the fall of the Berlin Wall when DJ "Dr Motte" staged what he called a "House Music Demonstration" in West Berlin for tolerance, respect and international understanding.

What started with one truck fitted with turntables and loudspeakers spiralled into an annual music event that drew techno fans from around Europe to crowd around up to 50 trucks that blared out deafening rhythms.

The Love Parade lives on elsewhere. It has been staged in Austria, Britain, Israel and South Africa. Mexico City held one in March and San Francisco and Tel Aviv plan Love Parades this year.

WesleyWes

Hello,

I bought a CD called Fired Up! Its got all tha jamz! I dig it! I never wanna live in a world where techno and all that is no more!

Peace!
WesleyWes
Founder, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-Catholic

Weaver

Yeah i don't think moby or prodigy is techno... i don't really like moby anyways :P

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mintjellie

moby is techno sometimes... songs like Machete for example, i would consider techno. his remix of orbital - speed freak as well, and quite a bit of his older stuff.

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mintjellie

Mobys best album though, Animal Rights, was a rock album. he did some acoustic singer/songwriter stuff, a sort of industrial-sounding cover of Joy Division - New Dawn Fades, a great punky cover Mission of Burma - Thats When I Reach For My Revolver, and so on. Its a good disc, worth downloading at least.

dj mannik

maybe its because RUff was never a fucking member of the Prodigy?!?!?!?!?!

anabolic frolic

Ruff was their official tour MC back in the day.

anabolic frolic

I just did a quick google search and found this;

http://kotta.abso.net/evolution.htm

It's a documentary about the Prodigy including interviews with MC Ruff. It was released in 1997.