orbz

Best and most up to date information I've found on ecstasy and ecstasy research: http://thedea.org/

read the "Quick Links" at the top... totally rips apart the evidence commonly used to support the notion of MDMA as a neurotoxin

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skunkdiggity

What's with the high number of people going to the ER for weed? What, did they cough too hard and choke to death?

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astralkid

^^ I think some people get worried and rush their friends to the ER after fainting(probably smoking too much)....

orbz

^ on account of anti-drug propaganda scaring their asses off about drugs, then they rush to the ER, its used to provide more bullshit stats to pump out more bullshit propaganda

Jeffie Freedom

From the artical: "Animal research from the U.S. has shown that one 10-mg dose in rats can decrease serotonin levels for up to two weeks."

Wow . . the weight of a rat used in research is ( according to the university of Iowa http://research.uiowa.edu/animal/?get=rat ) 450 to 800 grams for a male and 250 to 400 grams for a female. Now we don't know whether they are using male rats or females so to maintain our scientific integrity we'll have to assume that they are using male rats of the largest kind. I should also point out that they do not feed rats tiny pills of ecstasy, they inject them. Which means that the drugs hits their brains harder and quicker than with the slow absorption provided by ingestion.

An average boi weighs 150 pounds, that converts to 68.025 kilograms. The average amount of MDMA found in a pill of ecstasy is 120 milligrams (and I'm being very generous).

So the rat in the article gets 'just' 10 milligrams of MDMA . . that would be 0.00125% of its body weight. 0.00125% of an average boi's body weight is 850.3125 milligrams. That's 7 doses of ecstasy . 7 doses of ecstasy, injected at one time, into a rat which suffered relatively minor serotonin depletion and recovered, in about two weeks. Making MDMA about as safe as . . . Tylenol.
-Taking 7 times the recommended dose of Tylenol can do damage to your liver which will last longer than two weeks. "a single dose of 7 to 10 grams of acetaminophen (14 to 20 extra-strength tablets) can cause liver injury in the average healthy adult." http://www.medicinenet.com/tylenol_...age/article.htm
BTW if they were using female rats of the largest kind the dose would be equivalent to 11 pills and that's if we assume that they are using rats of the largest kind (the smaller the rat the higher the number of pills).

I have to say at this point in time, that i am completely ambivalent about whether people use ecstasy . . but i am a student of biology and i thought i would point this out. I will leave my calculations at the bottom for anyone who would like to see where the numbers come from.

weight of the rat in mg: 800g x 1000 = 800,000mg
percent of the rats bodyweight: 10mg / 800,000mg x 100% = 0.00125%.
0.00125% of a male human's body weight: 68.025 x 0.00125% = 0.000850312kg 850.3125mg
0.000850312kg x 1000 x 1000 = 850.3125mg
doses of ecstasy: 850.3125mg / 120mg = 7
damaging dose of Tylenol: 2 extra strength x 7 = 14

orbz

taking 7 times the recommended dose of tylenol is one thing

INJECTING 7 times the dose is quite something else entirely

oral ingestion typically takes much much much more of a chemical to have the same effects

CandyGirl23

there are a number of people that are allergic to weed. I'm sure there are asthma attacks associated with smoking weed... there are quite a few reasons people could need medical attention after smoking weed.

orbz

^^ actually, given that its a bronchiodilater, thc has actually been shown to be beneficial for asthmatics... its kind of counterintuitive but it seems to work. but if you have lung problems its probably best not to play around. or buy a vaporizer instead

Jeffie Freedom

something else i feel responsible to add followng my last post: Although MDMA does not appear to be an especially harmfull or dangerous drug, amphetamine/methamphetamine (AKA speed/crystal) is and IMO almost all the pills you will ever buy are cut with it .

orbz

unfortunately

pure_mdml

I understand the concern that people have about drugs. in some cases it's true there can be problems. Unforunately the way you go about informing people with false and questionable information does nothing but take away from the credibility that people see in you. It's not gonna work unless you stop bullshitting. (I don't know who i'm talking to specifically)

CandyGirl23

i'm pretty sure its a bronchiodilator when ingested (like caffeine). anything with smoke is pretty bad for people with lung problems. I just wanted to prove to the person who seemed to think weed couldn't cause a hospitalization that there were a few quite serious reasons that it could. I have friends whose throats close up if they smoke/eat weed because they're that allergic to it.

no drug is 100% safe, and i don't think there is enough study on the long-term effects of ecstacy usage. But unfortunately nearly everyone who has 'recreationally' used e, also uses other drugs making many studies impossible because of too many confounding factors.

HuMbLeBuMbLe

exactly.

Glyce

I agree. All those people are just too close-minded and only see what's handed to them on a silver platter. No one actually asks us what we have to say. Or the person who got sent to the hospital. They just say that's what happened and some guys tested some stuff on some rats. They don't even give proof that the sources are legitimate. Really freakin' silly when it comes right down to it.

brooklynhype

whats ecstasy?

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peachfuzz

*shrugs*

must be one of those new fangled gizmos...

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... NOOO its not a gizmo... its a street gang... DUH!

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Jeffie Freedom

there was a great special on ABC called "ecstasy rising" with Peter Jennings is was probably the most impartial look at ecstasy i have ever seen on T.V. . . quite suprising for American prime time T.V. i have it on avi i could soulseek it to anyone interested in seeing it . . it's quite good .

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astralkid

Me lose brain, thats unpossible!

peachfuzz

i've been wanting to see that ever since i first saw the preview for it march '03. unfortunately, i wasn't home the night it aired, and they haven't replayed it since. would love to get that from you if possible, but i don't have soulseek.. how about sending over aim?

i've read articles about the show, and apparently parents actually made their kids leave the room because they thought it was making it sound too "inviting", whereas they were just being completely objective.

Jeffie Freedom

it is the most objective thing i have ever seen on MDMA and i think it's credibility is through the roof . . they interview scientists and everything . . i'll gladly share this file with who ever would like to see it . . i'll send u a pm and we'll sort some sort of transfer out

Sim

click here to watch it.

the video link is tricky. there are ads of random lengths at the beginning of the clip. you gotta skip it to around 45 minutes BEFORE the end.


there ya go

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astralkid

Man, those people made it sound like taking E was like having a religious experience or something...

RaverJilly

where do i get some?

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