CareSieB

^^^ you must know a lot of messed up people..because i know TONS of sober ravers..

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But why not come up with more practical suggestions? Turning $20,000 into a few million dollars overnight is not practical, If it was, everybody would be rich, nor is building a massive underground structure.

If you're thinking about soundproofing, why not throw an outdoor party on a farm or in a forest that has natural soundproofing, during the summer of course. You're in Minnesota? I'm sure there is lots of both where you are.

As for the drugs, as somebody already pointed out, people do drugs everywhere and all the laws and prohibitions against them will do little to curtail their use. This has been proven time and time again. People have been looking for ways to alter their conscienceness since the beggining of time. Harm reduction is a much more effective way of dealing with drug use. Kicking them out of the party as you suggest will only send them out on the street, high and disoriented ,where they could potentially be at risk to themselves or others around them.

evangelos_gq

Im a sober raver... you can add me to your list!

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Glyce

Hey, they don't say you're messed up because you don't do ecstasy, or smoke pot or whatever. They're all great people, and I love them to death, and they are my one and only crew so close to my heart. Just because they're different than you doesn't make them fucked up.

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And thank you Evan, I will ^__^.

Telkhin

hmmmmmm...where to start>>>First off i have thought about buying a forest and throwing a rave in it. That was until i wnet to Blueshift, it was a nice rave. But when i left on noon the last day. The place looked like a trash dump. So i figured screw that idea of throwing a rave in a forest. Second it is very easy to take 20,000 and make a million over night. The question is r u gonna believe its possible to do it the way they say. Liek this for example who would ever think u could buy a $4000 diamond for $5 a piece. Well you can nowadays since the collapse of the russina cartel. But whats funny is most of you willl be sitting there goin yeah right thats BS. And thatss exaclty why the rich are rich because they think oh hell yeah i'm gonna buy me some of those. Thats my 2 cents for today. See ya

DJLeash

first, so are you rich???
and second
I'm a sober raver!
well i drink but hey that's not drugs so i guess that counts...?

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so we gotta go to russia now?!?

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neverlandgurl

hahahah......ahahahahaha....haha
an underground venue...you're probly not the first one to think of it, but you certainly are adamant about it! i still think a rave on an airforce base in the middle of the ocean would also totally rock. there's been forest raves as well.
as far as finding the funds to build this utopia...if it was easy to find 20,000 buckeroos...then damn, what am i doing breaking my back to pay back my college loans? i suppose you could build it that cheaply if you had a B.Y.O.S. (bring your own shovel) party...but that would be a bitch to dig out
and glyce...it does say something about your scene if you don't know ANY sober ravers. not saying that they aren't awesome people...but sober ravers will change your life (well the ones i know are pretty amazing). it is interesting that you don't know ANY. i would love to introduce you to some

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Glyce

It may, except that I don't know too many ravers anyway. There're about 10 kids that I really know. Then Evan makes 11.

Phlux

So you are going to buy diamond's for $5 a piece? Then sell them overnight for $4000 a piece? Hmmmmm.. Ok, well, let me know how that works out for you.

Telkhin

i will let you know how that goes for me...How ever another question has arisen in my brain. That question is can someone explain to me PLUR, besides that its peace love unity respect...I just want to get better grasp on what it means to everyone!!!

Thanks
Dre

DJLeash

peace - be at peace with your surroundings, don't be harsh!
love - love thy neighbor (stupid biblical ref. but oh well) spread love, create good vibes and send them out for other's to catch.
unity - make the people around you like a community and add something for the better good of those around you.
respect - respect those around you, you have to respect the promotors and their wishes, the dj's the mcs and the venue.
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us here add another r for...
responsibility - you have a responsibility to yourself, be smart and party safe. Its different for everyone. I'm responsible for my friends who i'm takin on this crazy trip.
I have to be responsible, for my children. As fun is partying is i have to remain an adult and in control.
i know that's sounds lame and gooberish but
wtf!

4real

[QUOTE=DJLeash] you have to respect the promotors and their wishes, the dj's the mcs and the venue.
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To a certain degree of course and accordingly!

DJLeash

well true...

pixy lee

the only reason stuff like that happens is because the people attending such events aren't respecting each other, or our 'host,' aka Mother Earth.
Ever hear of the phrase LEAVE NO TRACE? there are festivals out there that hold such a notion very highly indeed...
Question: when you see a piece of garbage on the ground, something you didn't put there, do you pick it up and dispose of it properly, or do you just walk on by? It's easy to walk on by, but it's all about leading by example.
otherwise, how is anything ever going to change? Educate yourselves and one another, and try to be a good role model to others. People usually pick up on that sort of vyyb, and it's often contagious. To recap: (a la DJ Leash)

peace - be at peace with your surroundings, don't be harsh!
love - love thy neighbor (stupid biblical ref. but oh well) spread love, create good vibes and send them out for other's to catch.
unity - make the people around you like a community and add something for the better good of those around you.
respect - respect those around you, you have to respect the promotors and their wishes, the dj's the mcs and the venue.
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us here add another r for...
responsibility - you have a responsibility to yourself, be smart and party safe.

much luv,
*pixy*

Hoppapotamus

I must say.. i was quite impressed with the drug use in Toronto... In Florida, by 3 AM everyones on the floor rubbing each other, making out, having sex.. really.. i dont know if this happens everywhere, but it happens all the time here. You dont go to a party, just to go to a party like you used to. The only reason to go down here is to see a DJ/Live performance. The drugs have gotten that bad down here. In Toronto.. while yes there was still drugs, i didnt see anyone so fucked up they couldnt move, or any sexin going on. People there, seemed to have a lot more control... Anyone else from the states notice that?

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Hoppapotamus

[QUOTE/] As for drugs, I don't know a single raver (in person/off the boards) who doesn't do drugs. [/QUOTE]

I do..

peachfuzz

yeah, i know a lot of people who don't do, or have never done drugs.. not even pot or alcohol...

you're right though, hop... in toronto, as compared to the states, there is a lot more control. I have seen kids REALLY fucked up though, and people sexing... but its a lot less prevailant north of the boarder... they seem to be much more responsible..

the architech

most the people in the Philly scene seem to just get drunk at parties, not a ton of drug use. I do know a couple meth addicts and a handfull of rollers, but not a lot. I've never seen it get out of control or anyone hospitalized or anything.

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Everybodies_Daddy

1. If making a million dollars and building an underground venue is so easy, go ahead and do it. You'll have no shortage of promoters asking to rent it. As long as the price is reasonable.

2. I'd be supremely impressed if you could outfit one room with sound alone for under $40 000... then you still have to light the place.

3. I know tons of folks who don't do drugs, and have been partying for years.

4. Raves & drugs are codependant. The answer isn't abolition, it's responsability. Even the Toronto Police realize that, and target the dealers, not the users. If you feel you must dose, do it in an educated & responsible manner. Duh.

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kylefabulous

^^^ he's totally right...

i saw this crazy spin off of rave culture gone horribly wrong in the SW USA
it was a group of religious folks, throwing SOBER raves...
now this at 1st sounds totally ok... then you find out that they are christian coalition advocates and they are throwing SOcalled rave parties...

however the music they were playing was like disco gospel hillbilly house...

scary stuff... and the outfits were even more amazing...
i will do my best to find some pics... and post them soon...

but yeah... drugs and raves... codependent...

however... i think that a giant rave venue really wouldn't work out all that well... it would have to be located close to many highly populated regions in order to be utilized...

ThaLastX-hile

just my 2 cents on the issue, i know alot of ppl are about getting rid of drugs at parties....now repeat that line get rid of drugs at parties, that is sorta like telling people to take alcohol off the shelf at a bar or something, i mean why do ppl go to a bar to relax and throw a couple back and interact, people go to parties to interact, throw something back and try to enjoy there evening(keep in mind responsbility)

as for this venue sounds like a great idea for sure tho, the price is the question ?

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fallenangelslove

i am afraid i have to disagree with you bud, i don't thnk people go to parites to *throw something back* i don't do drugs, (anymore) and i enjoy the party's so much more now...not putting those down that do drugs to each his own i don't judge, but not all people go to do them, but we all do go for a good time

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