Sexy.kitten

I was reading the hulla flyer and this person caught my eye....has anyone heard him spin before?

Saffron

He use to be DJ Marcus I believe. He spins jungle and did (and may still ) play UK Garage.

I like him.

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chipakapockets

I don't like him... but only because I don't like most jungle. It's kind of... got one standard beat to it (not quite, but it's close). The music actually is boring to me. And I love music!! I love almost every kind of music!! But... yeah... jungle's kinda boring to me. I mean, not to bash any of you jungle lovers out there, you obviously hear something in it that I really don't... is there more going on in that music in a higher frequency/lower frequency than I can hear??

And does Marcus Visionary spin a nice wide assortment of jungle that doesn't all have the same beat to it, so it actually sounds like a nice assortment of music, instead of the same beat with different bass and melody lines?

PLUR,

Chip

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dianejapa

he was at enchanted, but i don't really remember because i spent his entire set trying to sleep on a chair in the back with security waking me up every five minutes making sure i wasnt dead... its not that im a jungle-hater or anythig like that, its just that we almost died several times trying to get up to toronto from nyc through a blizzard, i had no sleep at all, we were all uber stressed. we should have gotten into toronto early saturday monring and had all day to rest, but by the time we actually got there it was like 6 pm. so by the time we actually got to hulla i was completely beat. but this time i will definitly be on my feet dancing for his set!

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itsgigglegirl

as a jungle-liker, i thoroughly enjoyed his set in december...definitely kept me moving...since you're new give it a chance and you might find you like it on a different level than you like HHC

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Honestly, I dont remember his set at Enchanted. I couldnt even tell you what or when he spun

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orbz

"has anyone heard him spin before"
hee hee hee
marcus is one of the oldest toronto jungle djs

btw, chipakapockets, you dont find kickdrum-oriented hardcore to "all have one beat"? boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom etc
at least jungle involves drumming, even if its loopy

i always found marcus to be dull, but he blew me away at enchanted... when he's the only jungle dj at a party like hulla, he knows exactly the right edge to approach it with, and he's definitely got the skills to pull it off just the way he wants

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Sexy.kitten

I find hardcore and jungle tend to sound a bit a like they have the same beat and it seems like they have the same energy HHC teands to speed it up quite a bit tho so maybe its more entertaining the faster it is.....but I like my slow jungle and hardcore beats

orbz

BTW, anyone who wants to try to catch Marcus on the radio, him and DJ Prime host The Prophecy on CIUT 89.5 (U of T's radio station) Sunday nights at.... I believe it's 8 pm through 10 pm
Keep in mind, of course, that Sunday night radio jungle does not and will not sound like Hulla dancefloor jungle.

Or maybe try a search of kazaa or soulseek... nothing gets me hot like a marcus vs mystical set.
Mystical Influence would be a nice set at a Hulla too.

Sexy.kitten

I cant get TO local stations.....my radio is basically hic music and rap.... I will defidently check out kazaa tho I am sure if he is the jungle god some of his music will be easily found online

liquid_nrg

No, that's why he said to HIM it sounds repetetive. I feel the same way, I do like some jungle/dnb, but it all sounds the same to ME, and it gives me a headache.

But, I can listen to hardcore for hours and love every minute of it. It's just preference.

PS. he wasn't bashing it or the listeners, yet you come back with "at least jungle involves drumming" as if he had said something to demean the gengre.

DirectDrive

hmm, someone's cluing in ... I suggest tracing the history of both genres and continuing your enlightenment ...

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astralkid

Meh, at Idance 2001, I heard some wicked jungle, fell in love with it, and then lost interest after a couple of months.... At least my friend will be here for this party bc of the jungle

chipakapockets

Orbz, I'm talkign about the entire like... drum bit for jungle... yeah... I'm using crazy technical terms here... "drum bit" oh yes... LoL.

But yeah... I find that the drum bit thingy for jungle (the whole way through, bass, snare, etc.) is stock for most jungle. I find most other electronic genres mix it up a bit more than Jungle. But hey, it's all personal taste.

And thanks, Liquid!! You da man!!

PLUR,

Chip

liquid_nrg

^^ no prob bob.

Sexy.kitten

I read before the hype and the drama jungle and hardcore were played in the same room....why is hype and drama getting in the way of the music that draws us together?

happyhat

I love any fast 180 bpm+ hardcore beat
rather if its speedy:trance,techno gabber and happy.

But the only jungle/drum and bass beat
I like is old school:

Everybodies_Daddy

Marcus will blow you away for sure.

A lot of jungle DJ's pull out blazing sets at Hulla, 'cos they can play what they really really want to play, and nobody's going to bitch that it's old, or overplayed or whatever... so they can really read the crowd and let loose.

I'm looking forward to MC JD on the mic once more at Hulla.

B'oh!!!!!

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Sexy.kitten

Thats awesome!! I will deffidently make sure I am front for his set.

babyEjunglist

not gonna be at the party but .. nonetheless..

JUNGLE AT HULLA.. fukken rite.. and marcus knows how to represent... he will not let u down

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AstroCreep

i would argue, that the beat of hhc and drum n bass sound quite different compared to each other

hhc is a steady 4/4 beat
k---K---K---K---
h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-
--o---o---o---o-
----c-------c---

jungle is on the off beat
k------k--k-----
----s-------s---
h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-
--o--o--------o-

this can give the jungle the effect of moving much slower then hhc, even tho generally they are at the same tempo (170-180)

Again, agree to disagree!
Jungle breakbeats are constantly changing threwout the song. Rolls, ghost notes, muting certain instruments, mixing up samples, layering new samples with existing samples and changing notes around to give the loop a new feel, keeping it fresh and interesting.

hhc usually contains pitched up vocals, synths and piano lines accompainied by a simple 4/4 beat. HHC is K---K---K---K--- and on occasions it goes K---K---K---K-K-

The kick position stays unchanged generally on the 1, 5, 9, 13 beats, leaving you without much room to really alter the sound of your beat. Trading samples and re-programming samples during certain parts will help your beat seem more alive and flowing with the music. Below are i.e.'s
i)
K---K---K---K---
--o---o---o---o-
h---h---h---h---
--y-------y-----
----c-------c---
--s-------s-----
ii)
K---K---K---K---
----------------
h---h---h---h---
----------------
c-------c-------
--s-------s-----

iii)
K---K---K---K---
------o-------o-
h--hh--hh--hh--h
----y-------y---
----c-------c---
--s-------s-----

generally you can't adjust the sound of the beat to much, it all basically sounds the same. The main ynth/piano/vocal chorus part is just re-played at the beginning and then the end, and a simple break in the middle of the song is added with a simple synth line, some piano and possibly some short vocal parts allowing some rest after dancing threw the chorus at the beginning. then the chorus returns after the break and repeats

anways, thats why i disagree, hhc is pretty basic and repetative compared to jungle/DnB in my opinion which evolves and changes threwout the song never getting boring and repetative, with a constant flow of samples being introduced and removed and re-programmed creates unlimited possibilities for just the breakbeat portion, alongside changing synths, strings, and basslines to continue increasing momentum during the track. The bassline heard at the end is often different then the original at the beginning, not much difference, just enough to notice.
Anyone will tell you that the same unchanged breakbeat for 4 mins would sound like shit and like the 4/4 bars above, heres 3 examples except the changes in these beats drastically alter the sound and flow of the beat, unlike the changes occuring in the 4/4 bars
i)
k------k--k-----
----s-------s---
h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-
--o--o--------o-

ii)
k--------k-----
----s-------s---
h-h-h-hhh-h-h-h-
--o--o---o----o-

iii)
--K------k-----
----s-------s---
h-h-h--h--h-h-h-
o--o--o-o-----o-

in 48 bars there, i just changed it up 3 times and really stopped the breakbeat part from sounding overly reperative and could easily continue more in depth, something you can't really do with a HHC loop very well because of the basic structure.
And this re-programming of the samples creates different breakbeats everytime from the ability to move and alter a larger variety or samples and beats compared to the simple 4/4 bars above.

Jungle and hardcore will be in the same room at hulla!!!!
i don't think its really a matter of drama, depends on the size of the party. If you go to a UK party, the jungle and hardcore will be seperated, probably just because the scene is larger at home, larger scene needs larger venue and often multiple rooms are used, so it only makes sense to seperate music genres and allow partiers to freely roam to the style of their choice. I remember a day long ago it was similar in Toronto as well, but now we have come full circle with the GTA's scene, and what was once the beginning of a movement with small parties, one room venues and multiple genres has become the norm due to lack of venues, the ugly media machine lying to the public about "raves" and a decreasing GTA scene from a massive getting to old for this sh*t and others leaving because the fad/craze wore off.

but now i would say, in 2004, seperation of the hardcore and jungle sets has little to do with drama and lots to do with financial reasons. If you have a thriving party scene where a majority of parties sell out, then maybe spliting the genres into seperate rooms is better to accomdate everyone more comfortably. But lately i see few parties big enough for seperate genres in each room probably becase thats a fuck load of money for venue, dj's, hotels, etc... to risk on a poor scene. so i am seeing tons of parties now with everything in 1 room and i don't experience any hype or drama concerning hardcore or jungle being spun.

BTW, MARCUS WILL OWN AT HULLA!
it will be the best set of the night, hands down, no competition, by far!
I've seen him spin 10,000 times and he always rips it up crazy at Hulla's, everyone is just about dancing!

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Everybodies_Daddy

I think it has a lot to do with drama.

It also has a lot to do with ignorant party kids who have no regard for history, and don't care much for unity. It goes both ways- the new 'junglists' who've got a hate on for happy hardcore and candy kids, and the new 'candy kids' who've got no respect for jungle.

There's a difference between having preferences, and having no respect, and there's not enough respect in the scene nowadays.

Maybe one day we'll see Spock, Wild Child, Spinback, MC MC, Frolic, and Capital J play in the same room again, but I doubt it.

MCED

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Grr to you Ashley....you gotts ta be there!

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