DJ Wolf

No, actually... first offence is $255. Second offence is $5000.

I didn't intend everyone to get all pissed off and start arguing. I never intend to make other ppl suffer from what I suffer from as well. I simply asked what our options were going to be... NOT if we could continue to smoke inside around everyone else.

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chipakapockets

It may be hard for security to justify taking smokes and lighters... neither are illegal things, and that would cause alot of people to be frustrated, just for the simple fact that smokes are expensive and, especially if they just bought a pack, having security confiscate them would /not/ be kewl. At the very least, the said ravers may want a smoke AFTER the rave is through... denying them that would make for some angry people.

PLUR,

Chip

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DJ Saiyan

I may be wrong, but taking away cigarettes and lighters, which are perfectly legal items, without posting signs all over the place saying no cigarettes allowed in the building, and offering the opportunity to leave your smokes somewhere, constitutes theft.

you can take my freedom. BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE MY CIGARETTES!!!

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Ha ha ha... right on, man!!! I'm right behind you on that one!!

I can totally respect that they dont' want me to smoke in the Opera House. In Kingston we're not allowed to smoke inside any public buildings (we're not even allowed to smoke on patios here!!), and I won't smoke inside any public buildings in TO if the law tells me not to but, goddamnit, no one's depriving me of the means to have a smoke after the rave!!! It's like a cigarette after sex and, I'm sure most smokers will agree, a must!!

PLUR,

Chip

perry461

Way to say it Shane!!! I mean....Im not a smoker....but I used to be...and going that long without a butt is just gonna be fucking bloody murder on ya.

And Chip........nevermind....*rolls eyes* LOL

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silver1

They don't need to post signs.

They perhaps might not be able to take them away from you, but they can say "I can't let you in here with that" and refuse entry.

Compare it to a closed bottle of booze. Perfectly legal for you to carry it around. Get caught trying to bring it into any club and you'll be refused entry.

Once inside, I'm sure they are within their rights to take it away from you. Or tell you, "either give them to me or you have to leave".

Remember, any establishment can make whatever rules they want. They own the place. Especially if the rules are made to coincide with the law.

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divingFaces

^^^Nice.

chipakapockets

You can't really compare it to a bottle of booze, though, man. Alcohol intoxicates you, and is sold inside of the venue. By bringing in your own alcohol (as with closed bottles of water, etc.) you are depriving the party of possible revenues. Additionally, you can easily hide other mind altering substances inside of an apparantly unopened bottle of alcohol. They're going to have a hard time testing that. With a pack of smokes, they can open up the pack and pull out the smokes to check, if they're unsure. Also, if your'e hiding pot in there, it kind of gives off a rather strong and... pleasant aroma. I've seen security guards opening peoples' packs of smokes and smelling them (it happened to me at my first hulla, and made me giggle).

Also, they tell you NOT to bring your alcohol on the flier. So really, there are no signs needed, because they already made it clear. There aren't any announcements that they'll take your smokes away, so if they do it at the security check, it's not very fair, now is it? because if people knew ahead of time, they wouldn't bring them.

PLUR,

Chip

xRaVeRx

w00t! ....just another reason why I dont smoke! and now, ill enjoy it more..maybe i wont be drenched in the smell of smoke...LoL! :P

but i feel bad for ya smokers....thas SUPER tight!

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Seizure

Use Nicorette or Nicodine... quit smoking you bastards!

silver1

Can you show me where on the flyer it says that you can't bring alcohol?

That doesn't matter though either way though. For Opera House, since it's an all ages event, by law you would not be allowed to bring alcohol in. It isn't allowed to be anywhere other than the 19+ area.

It has nothing to do with whether its an intoxicant or not. It has to do with whether the consumption of it within the venue is legal. But that's neither here nor there.

here is what is on the flyer though:

"Right of Admission Refusal (ROAR) in full effect."

Which basically means, "we can refuse your entry for whatever reason we want".

At the end of the day, I doubt they will take your smokes away at the door. They wouldn't take your alcohol away at the door or a water bottle away. They would most likely say, "you are not allowed to bring that in here". End of story. You can either a) get rid of them and come in or b) not come in.

We're all unfortunately at the mercy of the law and venue.

Mr Skittles

I'm sorry, but rules are rules. And if you feel the need to break these rules, then maybe you shouldnt attend at all. I myself am a smoker, but if I'm not allowed to smoke at hulla, then I wont. its that simple. Smoke cigarettes, or go to hulla?

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yay skittles, thats what we wanna hear, respect

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pointy_sticks

I've been to plenty of parties where you had a choice at the door; either take your smokes back to your car and go through the line again, or throw them in the box and hope they were there when you came out. It's been going on for years in other cities... they have no problem just throwing your shit right in the garbage, no questions asked... so you can bitch all you want, but in the end you're just gonna have to deal with it.

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Toye

Man, for some reason I decided to try and quit again. I'm on day 2, note I haven't gone a single day without at least one smoke in the past like year and a half.

I'm really quitting because I hate the goverment and I no longer want to fall for their tricks. ; p

Toye

Well you better stay at home. Doing drugs is against the rules too, hell you might as well shut down Hulla because if the people who are gonna break the rules need to stay home, there won't be anyone left to be at Hulla.

By the way, love your sig. ; p

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um...Shane, I was at the Opera House last night

there IS a sign that says the law is now in effect and cigarette smoking inside will not be tolerated

or something similar to that

anyways. you wanted a sign, there's your sign

it was wonderful being at the concert and coming home not reaking of cigarette stench.

those who got searched were told that cigarettes will not be smoked inside under any circumstances anywhere in the building.

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Seizure

Were they allowed to take their cigarettes and lighters into the building as long as they weren't smoking though?

babyEjunglist

9 - 6 with no cigarettes = no ashley at hullas anymore


sad words of a smoker.. but true words nonetheless..


maybe I can stick it out.. *crosses fingers*

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babyEjunglist

^ ya im kidding.. im sure I can last.. if I can handle all the candytards for those hours.. a smoke is cheesecake .. ya I said cheesecake!!

Seizure

What if I bring cheesecake to Hulla... will that fill your cravings for cigarettes instead?

babyEjunglist

no i hate cheesecake.. bring me chocolate ice cream

Seizure

It'll melt by the time I get there.. and I don't think they'll allow me to take a portable-freezer in with me

Mr Skittles

what are you talkin about????? Girl, you have to go!! I have a pic of you and i