I agree with the beginning half of your post, to an extent. I don't have the sources to back me up right now so I can't dispute anything you've said.
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how can you tell if a lab rat is depressed, has anxiety, paranoia, hallucinations, panic, psychotic episodes, drug craving, and other symptoms?
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I don't do the tests on these animals so I'm not sure how they tell, but they do. If you've ever owned a rat, you would be able to tell when it's not feeling the greatest. Same with rabbits, dogs, monkeys, any animal they would have used. They did a test on a rabbit. For (I forget the amount of time...it was over several years) they had a rabbit smoke a cigarette nine times a day. It was addicted to them. How did they tell? That's a craving... So they can tell. MDMA was not consumed by humans until the mid-1960's. Research was done on animals long before that. It's difficult to do testing now on MDMA because of it's Schedule I status.
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and this is why there is problems... irresponsible users... but if you look at it another way, all users are a possible problem... get a bad pill.... you're in trouble... get caught with it before you get a chance to take it... you're in trouble... these problems usually overflow to innocent people.
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Fair enough. I agree with that. I understand that, while under the influence of many mind-alterants people react differently in situations.
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ok... i don't like reading books too much, but i do read a lot on the internet, and will sit here reading something for hours if it sparks ANY bit of interest, or has to do with something that i am talking about at the time.. i have seen many things on ecstacy, and i have read pages upon pages of information on it. i wouldn't call myself totally educated on the subject, but i feel proficient in talking about it.. i would contact people such as TRIP, who are not biased, and have training and do severe amounts of reading on drugs... they are educated.
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I got a lot of my information from TRIP as one of my good friends works for them. I've read several websites and books on Ecstasy and I've been studying it for almost eight years. I like to think that I have a little bit of knowledge. I neither condem nor condone the use of Ecstasy or any other drug, legal or not. I try to get the correct information on a drug, whether or not I like what I read. It's difficult to decide what is fact and what is simply someone's opinion though. That's why I don't like websites as much. Many seem to be either for or against; not just giving information.
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from what all sources have reported, it was ecstacy... i believe frolic will be able to back me up here...
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it isn't hard to overdose on ecstacy... take too much, and your heart starts to race... not enough, or too much liquids in you can cause a lot of problems...
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I'm going to lump these two in together so I can address them withen the same responce.
Of course it was "Ecstasy." I can sell my birth control as Ecstasy and if someone got sick from it, it would be "Ecstasy" that he OD'd on. I seriously doubt that he OD'd on MDMA though. When selling something as Ecstasy, it can be anything. Not necessarily MDMA. That's why I don't believe that he took MDMA. It takes
a lot of MDMA to OD. Define overdose for me... I think of it as someone who can't physically handle the amount they have taken. Uncontrolable vomiting, severe dehydration, headaches and dizzyness. Not enough or too much liquid is not ODing. Because people are told to drink lots of water, they just continue to drink. This can make your brain swell and then can cause death. That's only one of the problems. Obviously, on the other side of the coin, dehydration can occur.
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ecstacy isn't to blame for anything really.. it's the users that are to be blamed for the problems IMO.
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That's exactly what I was looking for.
I agree that I am not holding a grudge against anyone. It's nice to see that there are some people that can hold their own in a conversation. It's nice to have someone to debate with.
