Originally posted by *BunnE*
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Think very highly of yourself don't you?
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i am just another human being like yourself or anyone else here. I don't find myself any better or worse than you, but to answer your question directly, yes, i do think highly of myself. I have a good self esteem, and i feel very confident in myself and my actions.
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Quite the opposite actually. Everyone I know that rolls on a fairly regular basis (more than twice a year and less than every weekend) are extremely open-minded, friendly, out-going people.
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Are we talking about weed or ecstacy here? I didn't make any comments about weed. That in itself is another thread. As for ecstacy, it is a depressing drug. I know many people that have gone through periods of sadness and depression DIRECTLY after the use of ecstacy. Coincidence... i think not. Ecstacy has been repeatedly been claimed to cause depression. Many doctors, scientist, and more have made these statements. I think that people of this statue would be a little more experienced with it's effects over the average user, most of which are not educated, nor want to be educated about the drug. I am sure many people on this board will back me up when i say that depression does come from the use of ecstacy.
Here's a good site for you to check out on this..
http://www.ecstacynow.com/ecstacy_facts.html
IMMEDIATE EFFECTS OF ECSTASY
feelings of detachment
hypertension
LONG TERM EFFECTS OF ECSTASY
change in emotion
affects memory
change in brain chemicals
PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF ECSTASY
confusion
depression
sleep problems
anxiety
paranoia
hallucinations
panic
psychotic episodes
confusion, depression, sleep problems
drug craving, severe anxiety, and paranoia - during and sometimes weeks after.
I think that should cover it, but just incase, here's a couple more sites...
http://www.gwu.edu/~cade/ecstacy.html
http://www.sscs.bham.ac.uk/phsi/drugs/facts_ecstacy.htm
http://www.lifeeducation.org.au/i_7.asp
http://www231.pair.com/grpulse/bt/drilec.html
http://www.nrdgp.org.au/projects/d&a/d&1341.html
http://www.geocities.com/enntf89/ecstacy1.htm
http://www.uh.edu/admin/hc/ecstacy.htm
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People that have fun with or without the aid of a mind-altering substance. They are also neither depressed, nor sad or lonely. They are actually wuite happy people. The addiction you speak of isn't necessary. They don't need an artifical happiness; they are fine without it.
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Ecstacy is not physically addictive like other drugs, but a mental addiction. It doesn't happen in all people, but it does happen in most. I know i felt an addiction to it when i used it. This is one of the top reasons i stopped using the drug. I did not want to have any type of craving or "need" for it. Here's a couple quotes from some more creditable websites to back this up.
http://www.ecstacynow.com/ecstacy_facts.html
Exctasy is not physically addictive. However, the drug can often take on great importance in people's lives, and some people become rather compulsive in their use. Taken too frequently, however, Ecstasy loses its special effect. Ecstasy releases the brain chemical serotonin, elevating mood and acting as a short-term antidepressant. Compulsive users may be unconsciously trying to self-medicate for depression.
http://www.lifeeducation.org.au/i_7.asp
People can develop tolerance to the pleasurable effects of ecstasy. While it is unclear whether physical dependence can develop, psychological dependence is a risk. People who become accustomed to partying and socialising while on ecstasy, may feel unable to communicate, make friends, or enjoy themselves without using MDMA or a similar drug. Counselling and support may help with this dependency.
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Last I checked, dealers didn't know what they were selling. It was the chemisists. And I don't know who the hell you buy off of..but if I were to buy something, I would buy from someone who has either tested them, or that I know has an idea what is in it. People that tell you straight out how much of everything is in it, are bullshitting you.
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how would you know if dealers know what they are selling or not? Do you ask them straight out "do you know whats in this?" and they tell you no.... I doubt it... I'm glad you know about the whole supply chain of drugs, but that doesn't make any difference. As per my statement, it's the users that are the problem. If you can remove the users, the chemists, dealers, and suppliers will be out of a job. Just because somebody has tried this specific pill before doesn't make it safe. Different people have different reactions to pills. I have PERSONALLY seen two people take the same pill (half and half). One user was puking and felt horribly sick, while the other was perfectly fine.
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It's the chemisists that are the problem. The users are merely using what they enjoy.
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once again, lets revert back to if you can remove the users, the chemists, suppliers and dealers will all be out of a job. Oh.. this just struck me... most drugs go through gangs right? Well.. wouldn't this also reduce gang activity?
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You have your head so far up your ass it's making it difficult for you to think correctly isn't it? You made an ass out of yourself thinking that I was high. Who says that I ingest anything?
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i don't remember you saying anything about taking the drug, although you do suggest it as you are sticking up for the users and the drug. I am personally against ecstacy use. I will not completely ignore people that are on it, although don't expect me to give you my complete attention. Yes. to set the record straight, i have used ecstacy on multiple occasions. 6 to be exact. I have not touched the drug for over a year now, and i do not plan to in the future. I have no need for it. I was a foolish, yet educated user. Remember, by standing up for something, it does not always mean you are doing it, but it does show a very strong force that you support it.
IE: If you stand up for bin laden terrorizing the USA and other countries, it suggests that you condone these actions. You may not be fighting with him against the USA and other countries, but your comments point towards you supporting what he is doing.
That is just a simple metaphor relating back to your comments about the people that use ecstacy.
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That's nice, I'm glad you had fun. Whether or not I take a drug is my decision, as it is anyone else's. You don't need them, or seem to want them. Other's do. Leave them be.
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great.. you understand i am not a supporter of ecstacy use. As for leaving users be... i don't agree with that. I would have no problem leaving these users alone if they didn't effect me, but they do. If it wasn't for the kid overdosing, the last hulla would not have been shut down earlier than expected. This relates directly back to the dealer that was caught too.. If it wasn't for the demand of the drug by USERS, that dealer most likely wouldn't have been there, not to mention, he wouldn't have had the drugs with him. Hence, he wouldn't have been caught, and the party would have continued. This incident did not directly effect ME, as i left a few minutes before this all happened, although it did effect many other innocent people who are NOT users. Secondly... the kid that overdosed at a previous hulla (14 i think... in the underground garage).. If it wasn't for this inncident, and others like it with overdoses, the city would have been a lot less inclined to step in and try to put a stop to the "rave scene" in toronto. Before this happened, there was parties almost every weekend. Big parties... big name djs.. multiple parties on one night. Now there is hardly any. The rave scene has died down drastically. One of the main factors in this would be the city injunction removing city owned property as venue space. This directly effects me, you, everyone else that parties, and also many people who do not party (ie: sound/lighting companies, djs, venue owners, downtown businesses, go transit, etc...)
i'm glad you thought of all the points though.
back to the drawing board eh?
